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 No.2[Reply]

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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 No.1[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

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2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

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1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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 No.50230[Reply]

Why is pol such a safe space? Every ancap BTFOs racism and they just ban them.

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 No.50340

>>50305

It's not anarchocapitalist, that's why. For one thing, about half of all Somali still live in territories that have a state of one kind or another, like Somaliland, Puntland, Galmudug or Jubaland. There's also the new federal government installed by the UNO, although they currently only have real power in Mogadishu. Mogadishu, meanwhile, not only has to deal with the federal government but also with several muslim militias that proclaim to be the rightful successors to the former dicator, Siad Barre. The next four biggest cities are all capitals of one of the former states I mentioned, one of them is even shared. The myth that Somalia has no government only exists because of shenanigans played by international organizations, where they refuse to acknowledge any of these states as legitimate while still calling them de facto states.

Also, anarchocapitalism is more than the absence of a state. It requires certain ideological conditions, like a respect for private property, personal autonomy and the unacceptability of unprovoked violence. Some tribal societies lack one or more of these conditions or even do the complete opposite, for example by having only communal property, selling their daughters and wifes to each other or by relishing in warfare. These societies may not have a state that we'd acknowledge as such, but they are farer removed from anarchocapitalism than your average small town in the US.

In case this sounds like a cop-out, keep in mind that we never proclaimed that economic conditions are completely independent of ideological ones or that the latter are even irrelevant. You're best of completely throwing away everything you know about the base-superstructure-distinction of marxism when you talk to us, really.

>>50339

It really depends on what you mean by racism. If you mean it in the sense of racial awareness, then ancaps are not opposed to that, but we are still anti-racialist (as you explained very well).


 No.50342

File: d05bcd616b314a4⋯.jpg (76.87 KB, 945x960, 63:64, Ben Garrison taking aim.jpg)

>>50230

>ancap BTFOs racism

Niggers aren't welcome on MY private property


 No.50343

>>50230

Not every form of racism is allowed on /pol/. I am very racist towards americans and i was explicitily posting on /pol/ that we people on european countries should reject american globalism and ban all of their garbage such as McDonald's, american pop music and movies.

I was banned and called a jew kek.


 No.50344

File: ef504188a0b6b83⋯.png (63.53 KB, 295x274, 295:274, flip harder faggot.png)

>>50343

/pol/ is dead, don't even bother posting there.

Imkampfy is a retard and Heil is the only hotpocket on the whole site who is lazier than Mark. I don't know how good or bad Moonman is though


 No.50345

>>50343

Yeah the amerifat mongrels nazi larpers are fucking hilarious on /pol/. They shit on yurop for being cucked(which it is) but when you remind them their country is literally the poz capital of the world spreading it's hollywood degeneracy at unprecedented levels and is the sole source and enabler of the jewish problem including the existence of the state of israel as well as the fact that if yurop(germany) unpozzed itself and had a 4th reich amerifats would lead the charge against the evil nazis again and they would die for their <60% white country and israel, they sperg the fuck out and all you a kike.




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 No.50260[Reply]

…says a fucking Federalist.

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 No.50319

>>50260

>>50273

>one of the most smartest, most talented american to ever live

>fight against the world's most powerful empire and his own son for freedom

>LITERALLY accomplished more in the name of liberty than any of the losers on this board will ever do

>hurr durr what a statist

Libertarians are such fucking children


 No.50320

>>50319

I didnt say he was a bad guy, but he,in fact, was a federalist


 No.50321

>>50319

Why is being a Federal state better than being a colony?


 No.50330

>>50321

>pro

at the time the federal state was at least pretending to represent you

>pro

fuck king george hes a nigger who is putting taxes on a bunch of shit because he thinks we are uppity

>pro (but only after the war started)

that george nigger is putting soldiers in my house, but that other george is super cool, he baked cookies for my friends cousins neighbor and isnt acting like a nigger.

>con

???

keep in mind this means cons in relation to colonyhood not cons in general


 No.50341

>>50330

Taxes were low

A state that 'represents you' or 'represents the people' blurs the line between citizen and state. The line between citizen and state is necessary for individual rights to be asserted confidently- otherwise the state that it can do whatever it wants to the people, because it is the people




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 No.49775[Reply]

i have seen somewhere pic proving that multiculturalism is bad (causing more crime) but i cannot find that pic on my hard drive so i did not save it probably

can you link to research papers about that an so on please?

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 No.50257

>>50184

iq can change rapidly for example in ancient times ethiopia was an empire and now they have aidsbola there and nothing else


 No.50290

>>49775

The only academic studies that come to mind are the Robert Putnam studies which demonstrated that diversity reduces social trust and cohesion if I remember properly. Why do you need academic studies though? You obviously already know about why multiculturalism is harmful; all anyone needs to realize that is to pay attention.

Eitherway, /liberty/ isn't really the right place to ask though.


 No.50291

File: 3da7c347fd6323c⋯.jpg (293.73 KB, 1164x765, 388:255, IMG_-al3sgt.jpg)

>>50177

Basically fap material.


 No.50303

File: d74cfa4bd60af42⋯.png (176.61 KB, 567x685, 567:685, Democracy - The God that F….png)

>>50291

Indeed it is. Look at these long, hard footnotes.


 No.50338

>>50303

>>50291

oh my god, it even has a watermark.




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 No.48878[Reply]

Why do Nazis keep poaching our best ancap personalities? helicopters, molyjew, LLA now. What do we do about this? I can't say how many times people have attacked me in debates just because other ancaps have decided to become Nazis. What's the best response to people insinuating there is some kind of connection?

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 No.50310

>>48879

Moral policing from both the left and the right is fucking annoying.


 No.50312

>>50310

> Can't I just live my non-judgmental nihilistic hedonistic libertine existence without restrictions or judgement from others.


 No.50316

>>50312

>Stop liking what I don't like

How do you plan on even policing these "anti-degenerate" policies?


 No.50333

>>50316

Through the elimination of the state and the establishment of privately owned covenents with various differing social rules and (when those practices are not expressly prohibited and therefore grounds for punishment/removal) through discriminiation. The fact that you think minimising/eliminating the state will let you live your degenerate life without anyone making you feel bad about it is hilarious.


 No.50337

Basically, it boils down to this.

Nazi's have a philosophy based around the ubermensch, which is to be a macho man of superior blood. But modern socialists are total spineless faggots, and PROUD of it to boot. So what do nazi's do to regain their legitimacy? They try to find a way to disassociate themselves from socialism's reputation without abandoning socialist policies. So they go to anarcho-capitalism because its both opposite to socialism, and "anything goes dude".

If they ever bug you too much, just remind them that they have a philosophy based on might-makes-right, and they lost the only war they ever fought in.




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 No.49955[Reply]

what do you think about north carolina?

t. european who would like to visit this state

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 No.50224

>>50182

>are you the board owner btw?

Even if I was, I'd never do anything except delete spam and duplicate threads. :^)

But in all seriousness, see >>50188

If you're wondering about the location thing, I just know we've got AnCaps from the UK and Germany who occasionally post here, and the only other non-'Murrican AnCaps I know of IRL are either in South America or Georgia and Ukraine. I think there's one from Poland, but that might be German anon.

The easiest way to tell us apart is that the other Christfag doesn't use smug anime girls and tends to post more seriously/seriously dislikes kek (and I think he's a protestant). Plus he typically doesn't use spoilers, so after a while you can kind of tell us apart, and when it gets confusing like when we're arguing in the same thread, I'll namefag for everyone's sanity.


 No.50225

File: fc81d0ae56fd9eb⋯.png (547.28 KB, 792x792, 1:1, wat.png)

>>50224

I hate having to replace my flag a dozen times after deleting cookies.


 No.50256

>>50210

im not a socialist lol

>>50188

>Orthobro

is he eastern orthodox?

>>50224

yes, im from poland


 No.50335

File: a9921af8fa86bc6⋯.jpg (147.84 KB, 750x746, 375:373, IMG_1717.JPG)

>>49955

If you go to Charlotte, be careful. Lots of dindu gun crime. Raleigh-Durham is nice. Especially during baseball season. Catch a ballgame, hit the bars afterwards. OBX is really cool during summertime. My two favorite spots are Coinjock and Wrightsville Beach.


 No.50336

I lived in North Carolina for 2 decades. Do yourself a favor and go somewhere instead, because NC fucking sucks.

Think of anything that you would like to do outside your house: go to the park, go bowling, go to a bar, etc. Well in NC it's either A) non-existent, B) expensive as fuck because it's the only one for 80 miles, or C) a really shitty restricted version of the thing (see: any campsite in NC). The only thing you can do outside of your house is EAT, and not anywhere unique either.

People-wise, the place is so-so. The older folks in NC (> 50 years old) are legitimately southern and mostly polite; while the younger ones are Keith Urban southern and assholes.

The best part about NC? No sidewalks anywhere! And in the few places that do have sidewalks (i.e. downtown Raleigh), it comes with some of the worst parking known to mankind.




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 No.50245[Reply]

There's a documentary film out called A Very Heavy Agenda. It's about neocons. Robert Martin made the film. It's 7 hours long, broken up into 3 parts, and the subject matter is depressing. It's the best film on the subject that I've ever seen. I already despised neocons before I watched A Very Heavy Agenda. Now I wish horrible things on these people. Also, if you have neocon hate memes, please post them. Thank you. This is one of the trailers. https://youtu.be/6AfWvajx7fo

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 No.50298

>>50251

Thanks man, you're welcome!


 No.50299

>>50297

If only I had thought of it before


 No.50302

>>50297

Assuming that political activities - like wars - followed a singular plan, instead of a bundle of plans by all kinds of decision-makers on all levels, and assuming that this plan was to make Saudi Arabia less shit (both are big assumptions), I still doubt the US could do that. There are some cases where wars actually did end up making countries more liberal, but these countries were economically weak and political rule was highly confused. Examples are Red Cambodia, Uganda under Idi Amin, or Rwanda during the genocide. These countries saw so much chaos and mayhem that wars introduced order and stability to them. These conditions don't exist in Saudi Arabia. The country is a shitfest, but it's not cannibalizing itself. Starting a war there would create exactly the kind of tension and mayhem that leads to decivilization. Assassinating the leadership might have more of a chance of success, but that the country sucks so hard is not just the leadership, it's the prevailing ideology.

Framing this in praxeological terms would be interesting. I thought of how to do that, but it's dumb and my brain is late.


 No.50326

File: 842eabc59fa8d94⋯.png (85.17 KB, 603x401, 603:401, IMG_2368.PNG)

>>50302

Saudi Arabia is a shitstain on the map. I wish our corrupt government wouldn't deal with them.


 No.50328

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 No.49241[Reply]

can we destroy gynocracy somehow? any cyberterrorists in here to help in doing so?

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 No.50315

>>50309

This is a very out of place question. You already know what the answer will be. Why did you ask it?


 No.50318

>>50315

I'm asking because /pol/ had a very different opinion. They seem to be against it even with artificial wombs because the kids wouldn't have "souls" and of course muh degeneracy. So I wanted to see this boards opinion. Also I want an actual discussion on said topic, the possibility of it, potential drawbacks and consequences of it as well as benefits of it and this seemed to be a somewhat relevant thread in that regard

>>50314

I wouldn't just say autists and like would go for them unless you consider many introverts to be autists which makes the term pointless. I want one, I've had sex and relationships but ultimately girls worth dating a rather rare and I don't want to deal with all of the bullshit(legal and otherwise) that comes with one. I know there are others who would agree. I do agree it could help keep pedos and the like in check for something they could take their impulses out on rather than humans.

I'm particularly interested in this because supposedly the first lines of fembots will be released this year.


 No.50327

>>49241

My, my anon, how dare you criticize gynocracy. Let me express my doubts in you being sexually active in order to discredit your argument.


 No.50331

>>50318

>I'm asking because /pol/ had a very different opinion.

Start your own thread m8


 No.50334

>>50327

No one can tell me that people who unironically talk of gynocracy are normal people. It's like the blacks who claim that whitey is in charge while the president is actually black, with the added bonus that the OP asked for cyberterrorist-support and posted one of the most polemic pics I've ever seen. So yeah, I'm very much doubting that he's right in the head.

Not that there's something wrong with virgins per se, but bitter virgins are trash.




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 No.50322[Reply]

Would door-to-door salesmen exist in an ancap society or would they all be shot because they violate the NAP by trespassing on someone else's property?

 No.50324

They may exist depending on whether the person opens the door or shoots them. Alternatively they can use landmines to kill intruders.


 No.50325

>>50322

They would be unlikely to go anywhere that considers such attempts trespassing. An area where the prevailing norm is to shoot any and all persons to enter your property is unlikely to attract much commerce, or many homeowners for that matter. It is likely that the prevailing custom will be some limited presumption of easement unless otherwise noted, as it customarily is in Euro-American cultures. Shoot the mailman and you the neighborhood will likely go out of its way to make you feel unwelcome.

Sage for yet another silly AnCapistan inquiry.


 No.50329

Where is it considered tresspassing to knock on their front door?

In every society I know of, you may step onto somebody's property to knock on their front door. It's only considered anything like tresspassing if you stay after finding no adult home or being told to leave.




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 No.49937[Reply]

How do Marxists reconcile the fact that every instance of their ideology has killed millions?

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 No.50271

>>50264

We are not talking about average wealth but poverty you fucking idiot.


 No.50274

>>50271

And high GDP doesn't mean you can't have poverty due to the GDP not being shared equally


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 No.50311

>>50274

I know you fucking idiot. I never mentioned GDP per capita, just poverty levels.


 No.50317

>>50311

No, I mentioned GDP per capita, and I said it shouldn't be taken to mean there wasn't poverty, because inequality was high and the wealth wasn't evenly shared.

Then you said inequality doesn't matter.




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 No.48733[Reply]

Do any of you think the conspiracy is real or no? I've read a bit of Frankfurt School (Erich Fromm and some Walter Benjamin in media studies) and I personally found them insufferable but in no way part of a "conspiracy theory."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJeW-dyK3hA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pPbrbJJQs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaBpVzOohs

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 No.50301

>>50268

What, are you saying the Overton window isn't real or something

Are you retarded


 No.50304

>>50300

> everyone who thinks I'm an idiot is a leftist


 No.50306

>>50301

>meme started by journalists with no hard evidence behind it whatsoever

>taken seriously by morons from /leftypol/ who think they can force socialism down everyone's throats by subtly working it into society over time

>>50304

>>>/leftypol/


 No.50307

>>50306

You're a pretty retarded guy, aren't you?


 No.50308

>>50306

>Linking to leftypol

>Meme started by shitposters with no hard evidence behind them whatsoever

>Taken seriously by nobody on /liberty/ who doesn't think you can force memes down people throats by shitposting as hard as you can




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 No.50211[Reply]

so in state communism or state socialism "the people" or the "worker" means the political class, be it lobbyists or a dictator or a council of some sort

but this is liberty so lets throw state bullshit out the window.

WHO ARE THE WORKERS?

I am pretty sure the guy in the ditch is a worker, are the others?

is a planner or manager a valid worker?

who plans and manages?

if "the workers" plan and manage what happens if they disagree?

if there are people who do not fall into the definition of "worker" but do something that there is demand for, how does that thing get done?

also someone here probably has the clean version of this image and I would like it if it isnt to much of a bother.

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 No.50227

>>50222

nice trips, and I agree with what you say, but it seems to me that your definition of worker come from an ancap or voluntarist point of reference while I was more looking for an ancom or somesuch so I could know exactly what they mean when they say worker control of the memes of production but your input is still quite valuable.

>managers are workers if they actually do their job

while I theoretically agree I will posit that a plumber usually (I stress this) knows the plumbing business better then a planner and stuff like managers have a penchant for ensuring they themselves are responsible for as little work as possible.

>when workers disagree nothing gets done

this is one of the reasons why I dont like joint ownership, but in something like a commune owned factory with nothing like managers couldnt one worker simply start using a machine and the other would have no authority to stop him? I imagine something would get done even if it is in a disorganized haphazard fashion.

>investing is labor

I am paraphrasing you but this is basically what you are saying right? I very much doubt the type of people who espouse "workers control the means of production" would agree with this.

my personal feeling is that I am not sure I would call it labor but I dont care as long as its voluntary and honest.


 No.50254

>>50211

>I am pretty sure the guy in the ditch is a worker, are the others?

it does not matter

>is a planner or manager a valid worker?

see above

>who plans and manages?

depends

>if "the workers" plan and manage what happens if they disagree?

many things can happen

>if there are people who do not fall into the definition of "worker" but do something that there is demand for, how does that thing get done?

>that thing

what thing?


 No.50272

>>50254

damn it guys, I have a legitimate question for ancoms, thinking I will give them a chance if there answer is not retarded, I dont need you guys echoing what I already think is the truth.

ANCOMS! this might look like a bait thread and it kind of is, but please reply earnestly.

in a normal "bait thread" I would be asking these questions with the intent of seeing you answer with stuff that is a state allowing you to steal things, but I made this thread legitimately hoping you would reply with non-state answers because I know little of how communism or socialism would work without a state.


 No.50275

>>50272

You'll have to ask /leftypol/. We mostly get mutualists here


 No.50279

>>50272

They reply only to threads that can be made worse. It's their thing.




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 No.45969[Reply]

The first Eurovision entries this year are here!

http://8ch.net/eurovision

 No.50203

Epic Sax Guy is back.

No, really, check it out….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PURiL3zvMWY


 No.50204

>>45969

I don't really care tbh, but to each his own.


 No.50205

>>50204

Hey that's a great reply you fucking faggot


 No.50226

>>45969

>Moldova

>Not a bunch of starving skeletons

I'm surprised/


 No.50255

>>50203

what a shit




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 No.50191[Reply]

If fascists/national-socialists legalized weed, would you stop being a libertarian?

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 No.50219

>>50191

fascism is just the way of unification.

this pertains to the problem of diversity that political philosophers try to solve.

unification is about increasing homogeneity, which may have to do with increased autonomy.

one person's liberalism is different from another's.

think pro choice from the left and pro guns from the right.

what should be illegal should not be up to retards to decide.


 No.50229

File: 7d2d64dad574381⋯.jpg (60.44 KB, 878x814, 439:407, 1478384612888.jpg)

>doing drugs or alcohol

>ever


 No.50236

>>50229

rand is a more powerful drug than any molecule you can pump past the blood brain barrier

>>50191

kill yourself


 No.50238

File: 76e1a68b14743e2⋯.jpg (184.42 KB, 1200x801, 400:267, caJAhPA.jpg)

>>50236

nice meme


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