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 No.2[Reply]

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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 No.1[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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 No.44277[Reply]

what are anti gun/drone/whatever control arguments?

i have few

>illegal gun/drone posession victimless crime

>we have already laws forbiding assault

>everything can be a weapon so why not banning a pencil- it can be used to stab

i need verbal arguments- neither graphs nor statistics

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 No.46058

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>>46051

>In a world with guns and where I can get them, since I oppose this regime, I have myself a couple pistols and a sam7 AK.

>That doesn't mean I have a justified reason in having this worthless sack of metal which only serves one purpose: killing porkies and bigots.

You're saying the exact same shit all of us are saying: That because we are not living in a perfect world, we need guns to defend ourselves.

>In reality, unless provoked or under your boot people don't just go attacking each other unless they're severely mentally ill bla bla bla

And here you are going off on a tangent, for some reason, spouting trivialities like they were some divine wisdom.


 No.46066

>>46057

you are extremely utopian

>>46030

“Capitalism is the fullest expression of anarchism, and anarchism is the fullest expression of capitalism. Not only are they compatible, but you can't really have one without the other. True anarchism will be capitalism, and true capitalism will be anarchism”

― Murray N. Rothbard


 No.46076

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>>46058

>That because we are not living in a perfect world, we need guns to defend ourselves.

No.

You're saying you need guns to protect yourselves, even in your perfect little system with no government (allegedly) and no coercion (allegedly).

Either that system is pretty shit and doesn't solve the issue at hand (capitalism) or you're a fucking idiot who wants a worthless hunk of metal because "MUH GUNS!"

Use the guns to make it happen then stop producing them and ignore them, hell maybe even get rid of them.

There should be no use after you achieved a suitable healthy society.

You don't need guns to defend yourself, you need guns to kill the people who you don't like or are oppressing you.

That includes capitalists.

>>46066

>you are extremely utopian

No I just recognize the condition in which causes conflict.

In tribal times the only conflict would be between different tribes competing in the region (if their cultures were not fine with one another), conflicts because of scarcity, and conflicts because of power structure (if there was one).

Eliminate all those and you have essentially a utopia of peace.

>muh shitty crook quote

Great quote that says nothing of value and just reinforces your delusions.

Property "rights" and the "right" to exploit another breaks fundimentals of the NAP, so unless you support my "right" to shoot you and burn down your business without issue then no, they're necessarily incompatible.

Capitalism entails rulers, albeit they may not be of the government, they are still rulers. They dictate over your life unfairly unless you are them and have the power.

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>>46030

>justification

YOU are not an anarchist

also you use goon memes

>>46057

>so get rid of it

no, I wont do this when the government tells me to and I wont when you do.

>>46076

>property rights break the nap

no, the nap is an extension of property rights, you can own things so it logically follows that you own yourself, other people can also own things, so they own themselves and you cant own them.

>capitalism entails rulers

yes, myself, my labor belongs to me because I own myself, and I dont have to let you use my labor you fucking tyrant, if you come over and try to use my labor or anything i have traded it for I will fucking shoot you, and that is the reason for guns.


 No.46087

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>>46084

>YOU are not an anarchist

Yes I am :)

>>46084

>no, the nap is an extension of property rights,

What gives you the right to have property, especially property you don't even use?

>my labor belongs to me

Then why do you let that porkie-faced bastard come and steal multiple times what he spits down to you?

>Let me not address anything at all

Seriously you failed to adress ANYTHING AT ALL.

In anarcho-capitalism monopolies are even easier to have, and thus states or controlling figures to arise.

In anarcho-capitalism you are not permitted to live on the land nor supplied with a place to live, and thus you have no choice but to be enslaved by a slave master or die.

This violates the NAP you fuckwit.




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 No.46064[Reply]

>"You only want too give women and minorities equal rights because your ideology is anti-white and anti-male just like communism, look at how many libertarians are jews"

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 No.46073

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>>46068

>minorities are also human

You're gonna call me /pol/ and all that, but this is total bullshit. Minorities are barely humans, they are prone to violence and aggression due to their low IQs. I believe that all humans/animals are born with natural, inalienable rights (The NAP), but giving minorities full rights leads to Africa. AnCap cannot function with blacks and latinos, period. They can't even establish a somewhat viable socialist government, and the Africans have no government.


 No.46078

>>46073

> Minorities are barely humans, they are prone to violence and aggression due to their low IQs.

If that's true, then they would be exiled (or killed in self-defense) from Ancapistan as soon as they commit or attempt to commit a crime, the way all other criminals would be. Those few that don't commit crimes would stay in and contribute to the economy with whatever skillsets they have. The problem fixes itself easily enough.


 No.46083

>>46078

this, blacks are dumb and violent but killing them before they do crimes is pre crime


 No.46085

>>46078

I agree with this. I just don't agree with granting them any special rights, like our respective European countries currently do.


 No.46086

>>46085

I want to add that they would try to establish a communist government, because minorities are good at sticking together and protesting. You'd have to deal with constant threats of aggression, as well as actual violence, if the minority population ever got over x arbitrary percentage, say 30%.




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 No.39240[Reply]

Hello fellow liberty lovers,

I signed up for the FSP back in 2011 when I was in college and stupid. Now that the "Project" hit the 20k signup goal back in winter I'm thinking about moving to New Hampshire. I'm currently living in Baltimore and have lived in NJ and briefly Rhode Island for a time so New England weather is nothing to me (NH is actually LESS cold than NJ).

Is the FSP legit, or is it bullshit? I remember hearing a former Free Stater who is no longer a libertarian and who now lives in Taxachussetts claim the FSP has had so many internal problems it was almost dissolved years ago and many of the libertarians in NH are pretty much the "losers" who joined because they had nothing left to lose. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

I consider my views to be left-libertarian, similar to the people you see on C4SS although I'm not an SJW. I should fit right in if I decide to actually move.

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 No.45486

>>45426

>research

Such as?


 No.45488

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>>45481

>Also, I would keep degenerate shit out of your gatherings and meetings. It makes you look like a bunch of fucking hippies disconnected from reality.

That's why you don't pander to perverts and anyone out for social justice. So this argument that firms will go out of business if they discriminate? It has to die. Not only is it based on flawed logic (not being willing to hire black people doesn't necessarily mean you will be outcompeted), it also appeals to people that we really shouldn't try to recruit.


 No.45490

>>45488

Why doesn't the FSP go into conservative libertarian universities (George Mason, Auburn, Hillsdale College) and try recruiting freshly-graduated students from there? Honestly, I'd prefer it if the bulk of FSP participants were educated and right-wing.


 No.46074

>>45490

because the FSP favors the company of sycophantic faggots like Larken Rose


 No.46082

>>45171

Kokesh and Rose and not left-libs. Left-lib implies free market socialist.




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 No.46036[Reply]

Under capitalism, the proletariat is exploited by the capitalist.

What does this mean?

Because the capitalist owns the means of production, he is able to pay the proletariat less than the value of his labour. This amount- what amounts to a rent enjoyed by the capitalist purely due to ownership of the means of production- is extracted every hour of the proletariat's working day.

Gradually the income filters upwards, and the capitalist class fattens itself. In a generation, any idea of 'hierarchy of the hard-working' becomes a sick joke, and the parasitic nature of the elites becomes obvious.

Instead, we may call it 'feudalism of the fortunate'- those who are born into the ruling class exploit the labourers.

What do we demand in an economic system? Surely that it is just, that it brings liberty, and that it reduces poverty. None of these factors is much brought in to the great mass of the people under a system of capitalism.

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 No.46060

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>>46050

>Really? Didn't know that. I heard some claim that it was like a progression like feudalism leads to capitalism and that leads to socialism which will eventually lead to communism.

That's what some do claim, yes. Other socialists used these terms as synonyms, others saw the difference between socialists and communists in their strategy. It's that contrived. PDF related deals with that topic on page 13 onward.

>Not sure about the whole dictatorship of the proletariat, was that by Lenin or was that written before him?

That was definitely from Marx. I think Lenins contribution was to describe how the dictatorship of the proletariat would work practically, something that Marx hasn't done.


 No.46062

>>46037

Sometimes I wonder what kind of shit all these leftist faggots have been thought in school.


 No.46063

>Under capitalism, the proletariat is exploited by the capitalist.

nope

everyone is a capitalist because he or she owns human capital (his self/herself)


 No.46065

>>46062

Socialism is good as a transitory system until an economy is ready for a social market, for starters. Although granted, that particular teacher also told us that the nazis were economically left-wing.


 No.46081

>>46065

Because they were.




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 No.45374[Reply]

If you are in favor of Pro Gun legislation, please vote in favor of these two bills and send a letter to your representatives using the built in system.

H.R. 38

>Concealed carry reciprocity in all 50 states

https://www.popvox.com/us/bills/115/hr38

H.R. 367

>To Provide that silencers (suppresors) be treated the same as long guns.

https://www.popvox.com/us/bills/115/hr367

 No.45499

S. 59

>To Provide that silencers (suppresors) be treated the same as long guns.

https://www.popvox.com/us/bills/115/s59


 No.45530

>Democrat co-sponsors

neat


 No.46080

>>45530

I know right? I would like to know who they are




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 No.45870[Reply]

what causes business cycles?

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 No.46002

>>46001

Yes, though the fraction (in a 1800s/early 1900s successful bank) is typically in the range of 60-70% flowing out while keeping about 30-40% on-hand.


 No.46070

>>46002

so you cannot take out at once from bank the things you gave them to hold for you?


 No.46072

>>46070

You can, though the bank would likely have penalties/rules relating to that such as 10% negative interest charged on your account holdings. If everyone does it.at once, the bank panics and increases interest rates to facilitate paying back loans more quickly to restore reserves. This all works out fine so long as the bank did not make poor investments.


 No.46077

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>>45992

Bad banks get bailed out and fractional reserve banking is not particularly secure. Without government regulations over banks under a monopolistic inflationary currency, fractional reserve banks would function in a whole different way.


 No.46079

>>46077

* skip to 22:04 if you want to get to the relevant part faster




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 No.41845[Reply]

If me and my neighbours own this street after Ancap, wouldn't we be able to put up toll booths at either side and start charging any price we wanted to try and maximise revenue?

Businesses might offer free entry in order to not scare away all the customers, but residents don't necessarily care how many non-residents drive up and down their street

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 No.46052

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>>46032

boohoo I don't like something so I'll call it bait so I don't have to address it :)))

This board doesn't have an anarcho-communist flag apparently, unless it's stupidly under anarcho-socialist.

I'm not in denial. Fuck capitalism.

>>46040

Untermensch?

What's the issue, porkie?


 No.46054

>>46052

how is the anarcho-socialist flag different than the anarcho communist flag? Their both black and red.


 No.46056

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>>46054

Anarcho-socialism is arguably slightly different to Anarcho-Communism.

That's my issue.

Plus no one calls themself an "ansoc."

Might as well sport the A of Anarchy seeing as the only legitemate anarchists are communist/collectivist/etc.


 No.46061

>>46031

>restriction of movement and ownership of property

You have these conditions under personal property.


 No.46075

>>46061

With personal property you can't claim ownership to miles out in the desert and kill anyone who gets on it.

You get a reasonable size of land that's comfortable and nice and serves what you wanted to do, be it farming or simply a nice cabin in the mountains, and no more.

If someone crosses onto it you do not create the laws suddenly as it is not your land, but rather you and they are subject to current local laws and basic morals.

Furthermore, because the personal property is not all encompassing the locality can (and would have to) provide routes to travel through and adequate housing and living conditions if there is not adequate ability to live on the land.

Personal property more of refers to the objects you use often and are in your residence, not the land it's self.

Unless some shitcunt puts up a tent in your backyard then there should be no issue with the lad jumping your fence (at their own risk of pets) and getting a ball real quick that they threw over.




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 No.45925[Reply]

is it true that sheakespeare was living in patriarchal era when misogynism (cf. taming of the shrew) and antisemitism (the merchant of venice) were prevalent?

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 No.45943

>>45933

>counter-raid

counter? They've been raiding us for months, look at the fucking catalog.


 No.45958

>>45931

>My point is, don't try to shoehorn societies into the categories of equal and misogynistic, as both feminists and actual sexists do. You'll achieve little with that kind of analysis.

i need to analyse it

>>45933

you do not have to reply if you are not interested

>>45938

>Isn't Shakespeare really like three different people, starting with some German poet?

no

>>45943

how do you know that banana raids were done by leftypol?


 No.45960

>>45958

Leftypol would shitpost pig memes. You know they can't hold it in for a second without letting us know Capitalism has to be smashed.


 No.45998

bumping


 No.46071

bumpy




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 No.44990[Reply]

how to redpill my family? my stepfather was fighting against milicja obywatelska when poland was communistic and he thinks he is anarchistic but he is a normie watching popular tv channels and voting popular politicians. he is brainwashed by political correctness i think and it would be hard to redpill him but how to do it? my mother is a female obviously so there is little hope for her :(

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 No.45710

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Tell them to read What is property and The ego and it's own


 No.45909

>>45710

he will not read it just because i told him to do it, he do not even like me very much


 No.45962

bumping


 No.45996

bumpy


 No.46069

bump




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 No.46009[Reply]

How are people going to afford the electricity to zap gays if power isn't provided by the state? The high setup cost to make power plants and the infrastructure would make it a natural monopoly, so it wouldn't it be best if the industry was run by the state.

Discuss.

 No.46011

>wasting resources trying to cure degenerates

>not physically removing them and letting them rot


 No.46013

>>46009

How can shitposters be entertained if nobody plays along?


 No.46067

>zap gays

go back to pol




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 No.45988[Reply]

what is the most /liber/tarian lifestyle.

 No.45989

>>45988

Don't support the state, avoid engaging the state as much as possible, and don't shitpost on /liberty/, you massive faggot. For starters.


 No.46035

>alt-right

>somehow equals libertarian

How about no.


 No.46055

File: 57f9c68e1d20831⋯.jpeg (84.53 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, fbi.jpeg)

Get a gun, whine about your liberties in the constitution whenever you have an issue but take no action to avoid arrest, do nothing but idle at home and prepare for it to "happen," get another gun, don't pay taxes or do anything related to the government, oppose immigrants/refugees, shoot anyone who gets on your property, preach about the NAP to everyone but don't follow it yourself or acknowledge that capitalism is inherently in conflict with the NAP as are your "property rights."

Uhm, I think that's about it.

Basically just go absolute batshit, blame everyone else for the problems, cover your ears, scream, and then shoot anyone who infringes on the rights you gave to yourself.


 No.46059

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>>46055

>Get a gun

You admitted to owning guns yourself, you hypocritical faggot.

>whine about your liberties in the constitution whenever you have an issue

Caring about your constitutional rights is bad because…? I mean, even anarchists should care about them, they

>but take no action to avoid arrest

That's so vague, I'm really not sure whether it even qualifies as an assumption.

>do nothing but idle at home and prepare for it to "happen," get another gun, don't pay taxes or do anything related to the government

That's thoroughly uninteresting and not worthy of a rebuttal.

>oppose immigrants/refugees

Refugees have either lost all they have and are escaping for that reason, or they are willing to lose everything they have in their escape, in which case they either didn't have much to begin with or they just don't give a fuck. So they get here with zero stake in conformity: No money, no friends, no family, no job, not even a home, and it's very unlikely they get those here. That they would commit a fuckton of crime is practically guaranteed. If you want them so badly, get them on your own property.

>shoot anyone who gets on your property, preach about the NAP to everyone but don't follow it yourself or acknowledge that capitalism is inherently in conflict with the NAP as are your "property rights."

If property rights are legitimate, defending them is not the initiation of aggression and hence is legitimate use of force under the NAP. If they are illegitimate, then "defending" them is a violation of the NAP. What you cannot do is claim that they are illegitimate because defending them violates the NAP, that's a blatant petitio principii: You assume that they are illegitimate to prove that they are illegitimate.




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 No.41786[Reply]

There is a war against so-called 'fake news' and Alex Jones, Infowars and PrisonPlanet.tv are being targeted. Watch this video and you decide what you think of Alex Jones. https://youtu.be/Fd9LpTs_Yg0

http://www.infowars.com/

http://prisonplanet.tv/

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 No.41875

>>41786

>owned by Time Warner

no thanks


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 No.46024

Jones is a Lunatic


 No.46029

Fuck off OP


 No.46033




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 No.46019[Reply]

Thoughts on federal funding of Planned Parenthood from a "free market" perspective?I'm undereducated on how healthcare works in general, but it seems like the same services could be left to local clinics.

 No.46021

I'm not an expert either but I guess from a basic business perspective that funding of PP is coroporate welfare since there are other clinics that compete doing the same services. So removing funding would force them to compete on a level playing field with other clinics?


 No.46023

>>46021

I assume that's part of it as well.


 No.46027

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 No.46028

>>46019

See >>44938

I have no love of baby chop shops, and PP is a particular government cash cow that would never survive in a free market.




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