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 No.2[Reply]

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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 No.1[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

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 No.52416[Reply]

Can someone explain how you don't see a large corporation with armed security as a state?

How do you guys define a state anyway?

not trying to start a fight here, just curious

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 No.52424

>>52421

Saying that you won't continue to pay someone money on an ongoing basis for work that you no longer want is coercion? If that's so, how is it not coercion for someone to stop renting a house because the landlord doesn't keep up the property? Your definition of coercion doesn't make any sense.


 No.52426

>>52424

Well yeah that's coercion too, that's how strikes work.

I'm not saying this is necessarily bad or that they're obligated to pay people no matter what , just that coercion exists.

I would define coercion as telling someone what to do under any kind of threat, do you use a different one?


 No.52428

>>52426

If the "threat" is just that you will exercise your own personal autonomy and stop associating with someone, then the "threat" is not coercion. Your personal definition doesn't match the actual definition, but it's no argument in any case. If you insist on your definition of "coercion" then just replace all instances of "coercion" in my post with "xoomquaplux" where "xoomquaplux" has the ordinary English definition of "coercion" while "coercion" can continue to have your newspeak snowflake definition.


 No.52429

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>>52428

I don't see how this differs from what I said.

What is the ancap definition of coercion?

I would appreciate it if you didn't say things like snowflake, I disagree with you but I'm just trying to have a civil argument.


 No.52430

>>52429

Dictionaries are usually too terse to capture every nuance of a definition. "Coercion" is never taken to include "threats" to simply walk away, except in political argument where someone is deliberately twisting the definition.




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 No.52365[Reply]

Anyone else completely repulsed by wastefulness and inefficiency, to the point of disgust? I despise it more than anything in the world.

 No.52366

>>52365

When it's just small and caused by bad decisions, or even by decisions that are only bad in hindsight, then I can live with it. What really pisses me off is when wealth is outright destroyed, like during wars, Soviet-style environmental destruction or "progressive" economic policies like the Great Leap Forward. Not that the ordinary business of Good Guy Governments is good either, like confiscating guns and driving a steamroller over them or stealing houses via eminent domain, demolishing them and then not building the promised mall on them.


 No.52427

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yeah




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 No.40642[Reply]

I really enjoy this flag for one reason or another. Can we just have a small thread about other(serious or not) designs it has?

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 No.51727

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 No.51754

Which is better, snek flag or the black and gold?


 No.51756

>>51754

Black and Gold Snek Flag, duh.


 No.51759

>>51754

Why choose one?


 No.52425

there are many good ones missing from this thread. sadly I can't find them




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 No.52354[Reply]

Teach me about AnCap society. I know welfare and government fund programs will get killed as a whole, with people fending off for themselves. That, and taxes will die forever. Something about getting "the fuck off of my property" as well.

Tell me, what other differences are there between the capitalism we have now and your goals.

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 No.52376

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>>52367

If you want to go straight to "The Book", read Rothbard's "Man, Economy And State With The Power And Market". You can get it for free from the Mises website.


 No.52401

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Interesting. Thank you all.


 No.52414

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>>52367

Interesting. Downloading your books now, I have a few more questions.

Would it be EASIER to get a job in an ancap society due to the smaller govt and private hiring of people? That, and would poverty go down significantly due to people no longer depending on social programs along with wealthier people not being sapper of their riches, thus, giving a healthy economic cycle. Correct?


 No.52415

Meant to add, those wealthier people would be able to hired people who contribute directly and such.

This is actually exciting.


 No.52419

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>>52414

Unemployment is mostly caused by regulations- not directly by low productivity.

In a market economy people with low productivity would just get jobs that pay low wages.

The black employment rate in the US used to be higher than the white employment rate




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 No.52174[Reply]

Small government + racialist policies & constitution - possible?

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 No.52407

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>>52405

>consumers don't demand quality

>private courts wouldn't work because I said so


 No.52409

>>52392

>>oh wait nigger labor is dirt cheap anyone can compete with me

Clearly this is not a good argument. If businesses never tried to cut costs because 'everyone else could just do it' then capitalists wouldn't buy machines either.


 No.52412

>>52405

>you may laugh, but yes. look at Southern usa. millions of beaners. California is basically mexico 2.0. they all started as seasonal workers, and yet here we are.

Oh my, and look, these are the states with more welfare!

Would you deny that in early 20th century the immigrants were alright, since they assimilated pretty well? Several companies, like Ford's, had Americanization bonuses. The main difference between then and now is that US has a huge welfare system and enforced tolerance. At that time, only immigrants with guts and eager to follow the american dream would go to USA, since they knew they would have to live in the way the Anglos wanted. It all changed when jews started messing up with the then small governament.


 No.52413

>>52407

To be fair depending on what you're talking about consumers don't demand quality.

Some people just pledge allegiance to certain companies and screech at you if you don't like their product.


 No.52417

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>>52412

They will come without welfare as well just drawn by higher wages…

And he probably doesn't want millions of hombres following the 'American Dream' either.

In case you didn't notice by the images he's posting.




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 No.46242[Reply]

Lately, I want to sing praises of Trump just to trigger the Antifa?

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 No.49562

There's no way to prevent Antifa from turning authoritarian. They are authoritarian by virtue of them being communists

>but theyre ancoms

There's no way in hell communism can be instituted without any force of government. Capitalism can happen organically. Communism cannot and will not.

Libertarian leftism doesn't exist. The ideas of the left like single payer healthcare, welfare, etc cannot be imposed without force of a large government to jail you when you refuse to pay into its bullshit.


 No.52360

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

I needed to share this and it's the most recent Antifa related thread.

>deployable anti-riot walls

>Trump's America is HERE


 No.52406

>>48499

>The number of good regimes

I can't think of one good regime.


 No.52410

>>48497

>democracy is inferior to feudalism/aristocracy

"An"caps want to revert to feudalism, no surprise here.


 No.52411

>>52410

I'd trust a king over a president in a way similar to trusting a wolf that ate recently over one that's been starved for a few days.




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 No.52317[Reply]

Removing women form the workforce would double the value of workers, allowing families to live with only one worker(The father) and making the people more prosperous. Why not allow this to happen, other than "women will protest"?

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 No.52372

>>52368

>It doesn't follow that prices will magically double when costs up 50%, just so that nobody can be better off.

That wasn't his point. Even if costs rise by just ten or five percent, that might be too much for a business, because of the slim profit margins.

>If you have higher nominal wages and prices aren't any higher you have more wealth.

But prices will be higher, because production costs will rise. If you're convinced that halving the labor pool will not raise production costs and prices, then explain to me why you're not proposing that we reduce the labor pool to one percent of its current size. With the limited supply of labor, wages would rise a hundredfold. You could have one worker sustaining his entire apartment block, how would that not be fantastic?


 No.52380

>>52372

>That wasn't his point.

Then he shouldn't have brought it into the discussion.

>prices will be higher, because production costs will rise

As I already acknowledged.


 No.52386

>>52380

>Then he shouldn't have brought it into the discussion.

He didn't, not in the part you quoted.

>As I already acknowledged.

Acknowledging an objection is not the same as refuting it. You have yet to tell me how arbitrarily limiting the labor pool can increase wealth. If reducing it to half its size can improve the wealth of a society, then why shouldn't limiting it to one percent of its current size have that effect?


 No.52402

Don't think in terms of wages but in resources. If the labor force was halved the number of goods/services shared among the total population would be half.


 No.52408

>>52386

>Acknowledging an objection is not the same as refuting it

And I'm not trying to refute it.

I'm not disputing that prices would rise.

Just that there some sort of 'iron law' that means the price increase always at least evaporates the rise in wages.

>You have yet to tell me how arbitrarily limiting the labor pool can increase wealth.

That isn't the argument I'm making. I'm not saying, for example, that GDP would increase.

>>52402

Not necessarily. You should ask yourself why the labour demand curve is downward sloping.

As you add more workers you get diminishing marginal returns.




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 No.51462[Reply]

Does this board have a mascot other than steppy snake? If not someone should draw a QT3.14 mascot for /liberty/ and name it Smol Government

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 No.52369

>>51489

I wish we could storm /pol/ and chase off the fascists, making it a Libertarian/AnCap board. We're stuck here because you get banned over there for being "anti-white" if you like being free from tyranny.


 No.52377

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>>51796

Awesome.


 No.52389

>>52035

This visual novel looks pretty cute cool. I just searched for "stalker visual novel" but I couldn't find anything, would you care to give me the source?


 No.52390

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>>52369

In 4pol there are serious ancap and Hoppe threads from time to time. Despite of the memes the people there are actually like us, many have read Rothbard or Hoppe and know almost all the arguments against state control in every conceivable area of life, and are sharing the information with anyone that cares to ask. They are even making infographs to convey ideas more swiftly and dispel myths and wrong memes.

Turns out the anarchomemes that pictured ancapism as a horrible and crazy ideology were the best thing that could happen to us because it drew many people to research for themselves what was all the fuss about. I predicted this would happen but still fills me with hope to actually see people discussing ancapism there.

I found these pictures and many more there, they're doing a great job.

I found it funny because many there are people that are acting in ancapism IRL. There was that russian guy who helped his friends evade taxes and many more.


 No.52404

>>52390

I can no longer support /pol/, because I see it as a place that was once setting its goal as discovering the truth, and now does anything as long as it benefits white people. "Communism is good for white people? Sign me up, praise Kek 14/88!"

I have tried arguing, and gotten banned many times, so I no longer argue with them. Giving up freedom and all of your principles, if it benefits white people, is not "the truth" or a "redpill" - it's being an echo-chamber sellout asshole. /pol/ has morphed from Ron Paul to full on statism, and if you don;t agree you must be a Jew, even though National (((Socialism))) is Jewish.

If there is one thing I hate, it is hypocrisy. /pol/ is the board if hypocrisy.




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 No.46828[Reply]

Pic related is the new reading guide. I made a special tab for objectivism, but haven't sorted the book there yet, at all. Another tab is for history. That one's sorted, but very incomplete.

I added some books to minarchism and replaced Everyday Anarchy with Spooners No Treason.

Anyone have more suggestions on this thing?

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 No.49380

>>49306

A lot of them are available at Mises and pdfs for most of the rest can be found online fairly easily.


 No.52393

>Search /liberty/ for reading list

>This thread's guide is completely different form the one I had seen before

What the fuck am I lost

Anyways, Instead of a new bread I'll just ask there, how do I get into Rothbard's philosophy, and how do I progress into Hans Herman Hoppe's?


 No.52397

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>52393

Read "For a New Liberty" and "The Anatomy Of The State".

With Hoppe, go with "A Short History of Man", "The Economics and Ethics of Private Property" and "Democracy: The God That Failed".


 No.52398

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 No.52399

Any Agorist books on actually using the black market? I'm on a 3rd world shithole where I might get stabbed but I also really need to avoid those shitty 120% taxes so if someone would help me with this one.




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 No.51308[Reply]

Post your best MemeBalls here lads. Be sure to post templates and create your own for me to use later. I want this to be the best libertarian MemeBall thread, busting in commies and nazis, ever. I'll start.

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>>52199

>Prophylaxis for toxoplasma is Bactrim so try to get your kids on it if you can


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>>52348

this version has a lot of potential,nice job anon


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 No.51832[Reply]

how to convince my family into ancap? they are not even libertarians now

my mother is ENFJ

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 No.51946

>>51933

so if i convince my friend that burgers are better than pizza,did I just created a burger cult?


 No.51947

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>>51832

this may be the hardest part for me as a lolberg ,I don't discuss politics with my family because they get triggered whenever I mention privatization,my mom even said that talking about politics in the housed is banned because she basically can't stand me criticizing senators.Sometimes I feel like statists have no chance in understand how the government really works and reaching them is beyond me,but then I remember I was one once too,so I guess patience is the key


 No.52164

>>51927

my mother is a leftist unfortunately as most women


 No.52384

>>51832

My general strategy:

First you convince them that free market solutions work, and why we ought to have civil libertarian policies.

Then talk about the non-aggression principle and why arbitrary political authority is invalid (e.g. refutation of social contract, fair play theory)

Finally, introduce them to ancapism, and how it might work in practice.


 No.52385

>>52384

Also if your parents are marxists, you won't be able to convince them of anything.




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 No.51315[Reply]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/28/gay-conversion-therapy-ruins-lives-lgbt-rights

Let's talk about this article.

Two problems I have are

>yes, people who have gay conversion therapy commit suicide more often, but so too do homosexuals who didn't undergo therapy. the therapy might do nothing at all

>just because homosexuality is not a mental illness, according to a certain criteria, does not mean it is irrational to try to reduce homosexuality.

What does /liberty/ think?

Should these groups be regulated?

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 No.51926

>>51925

Yeah, covenant

However, 'advocating homosexuality' could be anything .

And a lot of Hoppe 'fans' seem to think it means homosexuals and 'degenerates' as well


 No.51929

>>51925

Spot on on Hoppe. I think he's advanced material. It's too easy to misinterpret him when you don't have a firm grasp on Rothbards philosophy first.


 No.52301

>>51891

libertarianism is based on individualism not on family or kin


 No.52333

>>52301

Libertarianism is based on opposition to coercion, not on any particular mode of social organization whether tribalistic, individualistic, religious, or whatever else.


 No.52382

>>52333

you ment voluntaryism




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 No.49364[Reply]

So who is the better philosopher?

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 No.52112

>>52109

Nietzsche actually wanted a moral and upright society. Him and Stirner don't get along for the most part.


 No.52141

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 No.52143

>>52109

Nietszche wants us to tread on Nihilism because it liberates us form the currently decadent society. Stirner wants us to come on nihilism and stay on it because metaphysical concepts aren't real.


 No.52144

>>52109

To Nietzsche, morality is the main aspect of a person. To Stirner, it is one of many.


 No.52381

>>52075

>labourers interest

>self-interest

pick one commie




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